Small-town America no more? Tourism gains have made Panama City Beach However, image 510 was taken on April 8, in the darkness of the jungle. They do nothing to further discourse surrounding this tragedy and only attract people who think its fun to join in with conspiracies about the deaths of these two very real girls with very real families (who are suffering tremendous heartbreak). The theories Ive read seem too far-fetched to be believable. I often keep reading things online hoping that they solved the case, but unfortunately it doesnt look like they really have. Fearing that these two strangers may bring the wrath of God upon him, he releases them into the jungle. Bizarre! Ive written about many disappearances in Central America: https://imperfectplan.com/disappearances/, Thank you for your comment and please feel free to send me any notes/info that you find. I become very confused and not starting from Go and not knowing what is fact and what is anecdotal I just do not know. The girls' camera showed evidence of what may have happened. It is almost as if they are deliberately not to tell anything rather than the much speculated something. Hi Joseph, Thanks for your comment. But she is definitely on a well-worn path. If the culprit is not brought to book, the rest of the world says it is to protect the tourist industry. No sir, just ordinary incompetence. Yes the dog was owned by Giovanni and Doris, the owners of Il Pianista Restaurant. Indeed it does not even accidentally appear. Do we know who owned the dog named Blue (aka Azul). I would start at both ends of the trail meaning working forward from where they started their walk and backwards from where their pathetic remains were found. Many of the leads were simply not followed fingerprints, interviewing key suspects, identifying the precise location where evidence was discovered, etc. Apr 4, 2022 The number of international visitor arrivals in Panama surpassed the one million in 2021, after having plummeted to less than 700 thousand as a result of COVID-19 impact on tourism. Please read. If you read the article linked, its not even an indigenous tribe. Theyve been promised much if they deliver Feliciano hard evidence of the girls death. I think that if the parents had withheld important photographs,showing that the circumstances pointed to natural causes,they would have disclosed that theory before now, surely,if for no other reason,than to prevent further speculation about the girls disappearance. I agree that her hands look like they are over head. Wow. This leads me to believe that they were followed by one or more men who made their presence known around that time. I upscaled that image with AI correction and its 100x more clear that there is obviously a trap or makeshift roofing above her. It would be interesting to know exactly where this photo was taken Is it along the main trail north of the Mirador en route to the stream crossing? The mans face is clearly visible standing behind the rock with the red bags. As we all know, hitting delete never actually deletes files therefore overwriting the files is the only effective method to cleaning old data. Hello and thank you for doing such a thorough research. To the left hangs a cow skull smeared with blood, perhaps worn during the sacrifices. For a monster (him or them) this was enjoyment. If you have any supplementary information regarding the case, or if you were involved in this case and feel that the information available in this article impacts your privacy, please contact our team. I hope you understand my english, im not a native speaker. Im sure removal of the comment was justified, but in considering all possibilities Im curious if there was there any insight offered? Someone called her so she turning to look at them. They may not have even know what they were doing, taking pictures, if they werent familiar with technology, and tossed the phone again at some point for the girls to grab to attempt the emergency calls and taken it back at some point after. How certain are we that they started at the trail head as we are told? It is also possible that an unknown person, possibly the one responsible for the girls deaths, deleted the file for some reason but not the others on the card with a laptop in the middle of the jungle. I cant explain it but again it resembles so many of the bizarre cases which author and former cop David Paulides has brought (thousands of these similar events) right here in the US and Canada. That is the big picture of this case. This case is certainly not finished. Im starting to think the girls were lured to Panama by some kind of human trafficking organization that might even be run out of the Netherlands. She must therefore be in a house or building of some kind and therefore being kept prisoner at least for the 8 days before that photo was taken. I would expect especially on the first day for total panic to occur and multiple attempts to be made until a decision was made to save battery strength. 60 Percent of Missing Foreigners In The Cancun Area Remain Unsolved And we also have more than 500 sets of human remains believed to be archived across the . Fingerprints were not investigated. According the guidance given to the US Embassy, immigration officials will require tourists who leave the country to stay a minimum of 30 days outside of the country before reentering. They lose their money and leave Panama with their lives. In reality, foreigners are usually not the target of gangs. Also mobile signals are better at night yet no calls were attempted. https://voyager.lupomesky.cz/kremers-froon/kris-gully-3composite.jpg. There are plenty of reasonable explanations for why someone would have returned the phones and the backpack. After the attempted calls, the phones stayedon for some time. Several people have gone missing in national parks across the country Where they went and who they talked to in order to build up an idea about what motivated them to take that fateful walk and what information could have taken them down the other side of the divide. Hi, there sounds plausible but there is something about this case when I start to find some closure that it was an accident OR indeed foul play, I get new evidence from the internet debunking the conclusion I arrived at. Its at the very top of the post. Tourism in Panama - Wikipedia Im curious about your experience living abroad. I wondered if it was a mirror or piece of metal and her reflection. There appears to be a visible roof-like structure above Kriss head. Foul play is very likely. Its all speculation until more answers are found. And her shirt is pushed up. So they made it out of there, The picture with her standing at cave entrance is also the same place she was standing in dark way off in background. I cant explain the calls or photos or intact skin that was found. Theycalled 112, the emergency number for the Netherlands, as well as Panama's emergency number, 911. There is discussion in reference to a possible cave, but is there any evidence that the girls found a cave besides perhaps Kriss hair appearing unusually dry in the night photos? The fact that the backpack showed up on the bank of a river completely dry and unharmed downstream, with the camera and other electronics still functioning, shows that someone placed it there. Agreed the thing on the tree trunk looks man made but even if it is it is not sinister. How Many Kids Does Linkin Park Have? But in numerous case there are adverse priorities that lead to incompetence in disappearance investigations. Well be mapping the trails with a GPS device, searching for the location of the night photos and capturing aerial footage of the rivers in the region. January 4, 2023. The BLUE object on ground could be a BRA. https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-lMUOsoUME0Q/YLJzTuPRWbI/AAAAAAAAHDc/431BbuGq2PQEgxV65djGrwcBUCL5BEh8QCLcBGAsYHQ/s486/closeupkrs.jpg. I dont believe that anything ominous is happening to Kris in this specific photo. People began to suspect something happened whenthe dog Blue returned from the hike unaccompanied. Impact of the Pandemic on Tourism - IMF F&D Shortly after this, they became victims. 24/7 coverage of breaking news and live events. What confuses this is that after Kriss phone dies then on the 5th during the afternoon SOS attempt a wrong pin is input on Lisannes phone and indeed continues to be input until the end. From January to October, 86 Navajo men and women have gone missing nationwide, said Meskee Yanabah Yatsayte, a missing-persons advocate for . Vittorio Caruso. Her hands could be tied behind her back but, if this is the case, then much computer editing was involved because other photos that come AFTER this one in camera sequence show Kriss walking ahead of Lisanne WITHOUT her hands tied behind her back. Yup, I toot checked and her video came only after this post. And the hair photo shows him holding Kris by the neck (you can see his fingers, one wearing a silver ring with faces engraved on it). The black and red object above is clearly a decayed plant leaf. Im sorry but the question deserves a dumb answer. Its disturbing. Ive already researched a lot about the local conditions: https://imperfectplan.com/2020/07/02/kris-kremers-lisanne-froon-panama-bleached-bones/. The supporting pole is diagonal from upper right to lower middle indicating the path is beginning to head down. Slight left and up from the girl. Most of the tourists come from the United States, Canada, Europe, Central America, and South America. Perhaps Kris is already caught in the trap and thats why she is in a funny position and her waist is drawn in tight. My sole concern is for the young women who lost their lives for absolutely no reason. There are vast cultural differences to account for, especially between men and women. Hi Tom, I believe you intended to comment above, on @SwordOfGods comment. To the right of the body is a cross fashioned out of two poles, as is customary in Panama. All facts are not available in this case. Hi Susan, those are all possibilities. Here is what bothers me about this event. Like so many other people I really, really wish we could find the answers to this mystery. Trials are too costly. The biggest danger for travelers in Central America is crime. I would like to know their movements precisely from arriving in Boquete. If a cave was found that would be big news and there could be DNA evidence inside it. 4. I was definitely thinking it looks like her hands might be tied behind her back here. The picture where she is crossing the stream and looking back, her smile looks forced. The attacker could have taken the photos to confuse the authorities and the public. Possibly ambushed and didnt have time? And there have been some other unsolved murders in the same area where the girls were. These photos dont have a lot of helpful information and the camera was tampered with. This service is provided on News Group Newspapers' Limited's Standard Terms and Conditions in accordance with our Privacy & Cookie Policy. From the summit, they decided to go in a bit deeper, or just took the wrong exit path by mistake. Theres a lot of loose ends to be tied up, but I think this 2021 investigation can do it. In truth, the fact that theres no evidence that the dog was with them leads a person to believe that perhaps someone could have fabricated the fact that the dog was with them. Thanks Chris!! Have you looked closely at what Chris has labelled the insignia. The following insight will make not make much sense to you if you dont know their story. perhaps there is much that was missed by a very bungled police investigation. Happy reading! This was incredibly naive but then they only just arrived.. What took them past the divide? It does not make sense to me. Ive even been contacted by people in Asia. It is the poor color quality of the photograph with oversaturated reds that has people thinking they are seeing skulls and carcasses. Are any of you familiar with the missing 411 phenomena? Where did you hear this? Around 2 oclock. I bounce around a little and try to get to the crux of the issue. One question sticking to the government interference and coverup, with the deletion of a photo (nr, 531?) Hard noncontroversial evidence is very limited and what there is is open to interpretation. Most travelers that have big experiences want to remember the small details of trips, because the trip represents an important memory in their life. I would not pay much attention to what she has to say as it sounds like she wrote this book to try to justify/clear herself from all the criticism she garnered through this experience: There is one thing I have wondered about, when did the dog leave them? Not to mention her hair was down in the photos at the beginning of the hike and now they appear to be in at least two pony tails where devil horns would be. Kris was not happy with the situation and was just going along and not looking too cheerful in the pictures. play. Hi Jim, That particular photo was supposed to have been taken at 1.20 pm. Others suggested neitherFroonnor Kremerstook those photos; they believesomeone abducted the women. I do believe that this appears to be some sort of structure though, it does seem like some vines / branches have been woven together to form some sort of hut and even the AI enhancement would not make the blue appear on the floor so distinctly, the color and look almost reminds me of a scrap of denim like material? But without DNA samples, finger prints, etc, its hard to prove anything. That is the key. Why go to another country to hike when America and other safer countrys have plenty of hiking places ? Shame! ALSO, I really want to know where and when Kris quit wearing her backpack! I was looking at the photographs again and something caught my eye. Call us in Washington, D.C. at 1-888-407-4747 (toll-free in the United States and Canada) or 1-202-501-4444 (from all other countries) from 8:00 a.m. to 8:00 p.m., Eastern Standard Time, Monday through Friday (except U.S. federal holidays). Could be that the path turns sharp right or left (out of the frame) or continues up ahead after a short scramble. Perhaps he gave some other persons a lift with the girls as is one of the stories out there. One thing which confused me were the bras the smaller one looks more like a bikini top. Im not sure if people can really talk with animals but i sure would try and see by calling on a few and get their opinion. More info here. Snoeren had called West and told her: "With all that Im reading now in the police file, it couldnt be anything else there was a certain sequence and timing to it, that had to be caused by the flash floods, typical to the region and season. Dutch tourists in Panama Two Dutch tourists Kris Lemers, 21, and Lisanne Froon, 22 disappeared while out on a hike in Panama in April 2004. 3. Sorry to bring up the dog again. There was enough evidence in this investigation to solve the case and possibly find Kris and Lisanne while they were alive. Unfortunately we dont have a lot of answers to your questions. I dont think theres anything untoward I think shes saying look at this tunnel. Where are those Pings? There appears to be a blue pieces of trash on the ground. The Panamanian government had requested that the U.S. deploy assets including Navy salvage divers and sonar to aid in the search effort and locate the wreckage in the days after the crash, but the request was denied due to a lack of assets and jurisdiction, according to a statement from the Velleman and Borries families. This option is least likely, because wed obviously see something more tangible in the photos. His . Dogs here are seen as animals (like a jaguar or puma) that can take care of themselves, theyre seen as being dirty (not permitted on furniture) and are more rugged, like the dog can handle his own problems. Youre asking why didnt they try to call a friend or family member WHEN THEY COULDNT EVEN GET A SIGNAL TO THE POLICE? Yes, you are right that a great deal of caution is necessary. Her hands are *not* tied behind her back. Dutch Women Who Went Missing in Panama Confirmed Dead - NBC News Something happened between the morning and afternoon of the 5th because it was in the afternoon that a wrong pin was entered and subsequently every time thereafter. Obviously she did the first several times, but as the battery got lower, she likely got more conscious of the idea of conserving it. There just seems to be something wrong about this photo, and I dont like her expression. This person was a local cleric. He walked the trail with Ks parents, a sweet friendly lovely dog companion with big wise blue eyes, he is prominent in the video made by Ks parents as they walked the trail. Why no more fotos were taken after 508 on the 1st until the nighttime session on the 7/8th? We live in interesting times. You have a good eye! I dont think there was actual foul play. I get why people really hard want to believe theres something more to it, but hiking a lot (in very well known areas) you can go lost SO easily. I have seen comment to suggest that they could have made the trip to the divide returned and then gone to another place but then why no more fotos on either phone or camera? They are 99.999999% preventable. Another important detail was disclosed to the public: Hctor Abrego was actively searching for the missing . I never received a response. Perhaps this was a cave hang-out spot used by local teenagers. Two intelligent girls could not be veering off course to this dense vegetation on their own accord. I must have been living in a cave and totally preoccupied with myself when this happened because I only stumbled across this via a Youtube video ( one of many) by Juan Perea Y Monsuw on Friday. In other pictures of her crossing water she is clearly dirty with her hair up. There are too many variables involved, so I dont speculate much about the dog. On April 1, 2014, two students from the Netherlands namedLisanneFroon and Kris Kremers went on a hike in Panama with a dog. Still creepy though. September 1, 2022. Its interesting to hear that you are considering putting together a research team to visit Panama and further investigate the details of the case interviews, videos, mapping terrain, etc. If you find any additional information, please let me know. The students from Amersfoort in the Netherlands had spent six months planning their dream trip to Panama, hoping to spend some time backpacking, volunteering and learning Spanish. Perhaps every murder in the first world is resolved. It looks as though she has a mouse under her right eye. Im very impressed. After finding the women's phones, authorities now had alead. Instead, they think What words can I say to make my local population feel better? After all, locals elect these same authorities. I think murder is quite likely. That photo was wiped clean from the SD card, which is a strong clue that someone deleted it after the other photos were taken. Then uses the flash to take many photos of the area, so she can return for Kris after finding help. One indication is that I cannot see the shoulder strap of her top that is obscured by her white/fair forearm. Their story captivated me for some reason. Their families believed the women were still in the unrecovered plane wreckage, and as the search stretched on for days and then weeks, they pleaded with the U.S. government for help they said never came. Dogs are very independent here. Not in the third world. As well as lots of other things It shows her right arm more clearly and it looks as though there is something square where you would expect her right elbow to be strange. A wave of deadly exorcisms have griped the country, under the guise of religion, at the hand of a death cult. One obvious question - has anybody ever found the place that is in this photograph. Only a fool thinks they were attacked by people. In all of the photos, there is zero evidence to suggest that the dog was truly with the girls on their hike into the forest.
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