I believe this woman murdered Joann and Alex. Women murder for all kinds of reasons, but the simple facts come down to this.there was physical evidence, the bullet wound matched that of the gun Pat owned, the hairs were Pats and at both scenes, and she had no alibi and she had lied to try and come up with one.and lets not forget the damning words she spoke to her 18 month old daughter that the officer had the common sense to document. As for an epilogue on ex-flame Andrew Katrinak, he has moved to Colorado and kept a low profile since the trial ended. How do you know this woman wasnt obsessed with him and wanted his wife out of the way? During the tour Alfey was able to slip away into a room that was made for a little boy. Then international law enforcement was contacted. Pfeiffer and Burke claimed that police Sgt. She didnt kill those two boys and TX knows, but they made too much noise about it, hence this is probably the real reason that Darlie hasnt been put to death 24-25 yrs later. How would an intruder find it? At the time of the killings, police said that there had been domestic problems in the family and that they were exploring all possible motives for the slayings. She will be in jail for the rest of her life and rightly so. It was her father, Yaser Said who committed the crime of killing his two innocent teen daughters. The woman who was showing the home alleged that Patricia was involved in the theft. Its perfectly understandable that one should feel sorry for the victims of this heinous crime. It says that Andrew Katrinak passed his lie detector test. If the answer is no, enough said! While Patricia does not qualify for medical parole, she can still file for executive clemency or compassionate release, which she has already done and which was met with more resistance from Gov. Most of your comment absolutely astonishes me. Tragedy also touched Patricias life. Owens said Said made her a weak woman but that those days are over. In fact it clearly shows how short you are on all the details surrounding this case. Jerry Browns office. Gail Gattrell, the sisters great-aunt, described the deaths as an honor killing which are often carried about by a relative who believes a woman went against conservative Islamic values on love or marriage. Still, no good leads materialized. Every type of cut, bruise etc would heal perfectly in that time. Yassein Saids sentencing has been set for June 4. No Jail Time for Former Corrections Officer and Friend Who Together Breached the U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6. Thanks for contacting us. Why would it be an irony for a person to express his opinion? After reading this forum and hearing the details of this case, Iowa sure seems a lot fairer in my eyes. "I'm not sorry we were caught. Ill always say that Tommy Lynn Sells murdered the Routier boys OR the father Darrin did it. They are a joke. Required fields are marked *. Charles Robert, the 3-month-old son she had with Gary Gabard, died of sudden infant death syndrome; Patricia found him blue in his crib. Patricias accusers theorized that she resented Joanns domestic bliss with the tall, athletic Andrew Katrinak. WOW JUST WOW PEOPLE ARE SO BLIND BY ALL THIS. Just saying. Then you claim this is an opinion. Have you read the book? So lets get going on the recap of the Forensic Files episode A Woman Scorned, along with extra information drawn from internet research: Joann Marie OConnor was born on Oct. 11, 1968, the youngest of Sarah and David OConnors four children. Theyre more than happy to exaggerate and speculate the details of the crime, which serves to attract more viewers who (like you) seem to be happy to believe it all. Plus a FB group that I was in included some people who grew up with her and they confirmed that she was indeed a horrible mean person who was easily enraged and always looking for a fight. My husband passed away of a broken heart, Sarah OConnor said on the Montel Williams Show in 2001. Alfey liked to look at model homes, so they decided to stop by an open house that was located at 13810 Redberry St. in Moreno Valley, California. Keep her murdering ass locked up!!! According to court documents, Yassein and Islam Said had been communicating with Yaser Said since Jan. 1, 2008, to help him evade capture. It seems so, according to you. And because some of Patricias advocates have suggested Andrew Katrinak had a motive for murder, I checked into whether he had a life insurance payout to gain upon Joanns demise. Her alibi about going to the club, called Cowboys Nitelife, got fuzzy when investigators discovered she hadnt signed the guest book on that day. And NOBODY saw her at all? Someone had shot Joann in the face with a .22-caliber pistol, then beaten her about the head hitting her 19 times in all with a blunt object. If they were unable to get a DNA reading the first time, why the need for a second examination? He had an attractive new wife and beautiful baby boy. Dont even think about arguing with me until they DNA test that hair and the broken fingernail found on her body; Ill just laugh at you. DA readily agreed they did not belong to Rorrer, was happy to admit they were never submitted for analysis. He took two tests and there was deception detected in BOTH. You can PM me please, this way you can update your article with the correct information. Animals would have for sure. DA readily agreed they did not belong to Rorrer, was happy to admit they were never submitted for analysis. Another point is the theory developed by the cops that the victim (Joann) was shot just one time and then bludgeoned to death. Patricia also pointed out that when author Tammy Mal started her research and speaking to me, she was not an advocate at all but she reversed and ended up advocating for Patricias innocence. Looking at the pictures of the scene, after 4 months of the bodies being there allegedly, they were untouched? Or did they? Patty was soooo obsessed with Andy that she moved away to North Carolina some 5 years before this happened, right? DNA testing revealed the blood came from either Joann or her son. Its barely visible in the picture. The hair evidence is not compelling because theres a very good possibility that the evidence was compromised. Well, at least you managed some sense there when you say that, especially when you take into account the amount of evidence and witnesses which were withheld from the Defence and what appears to be a clear case of evidence-tampering. Not sure why anyone is defending her. I decided to take the toys and hide them so my mother wouldnt see them, said Alfey, who is now 29 years old. Allen Prue maintains that he is innocent, and he has appealed his conviction to the Vermont Supreme Court. The girls mother, Patricia Said, fled with The Egyptian-born taxicab driver was sought on capital murder charges since the New Years Day 2008 shootings of his two daughters, Sarah Yaser Said, 17, and Amina Yaser Said, 18, which have been described as honor killings.. And the point the hair in her hand wasnt tested was because they didnt need it since they had the killer shame on everyone who went along with that. The case was eventually abandoned. Prosecutors said the Prues planned the March 2012 crime: Patricia Prue's computer had been used to conduct online searches for "how to kidnap a girl," the Prues acquired a stun gun, and they bought a prepaid cellphone to call Jenkins to ask for help. After the guilty verdict was pronounced, the defense learned that a report from a state psychologist was not given to the jury. At one point, Owens looked directly at Said and reminded him of all of the abuse they endured, allegedly having a knife pulled on her. Check out ALL the facts if you feel the need to comment. She is a tough one, Sheriff Gerald Hege would later tell the Morning Call in a June 29, 1997 interview. The Free Patricia Rorrer page points to a sliver of a fingernail found at the murder site that didnt come from either Patricia or Joann. No way they laid there for 4 months!!!! They allege that the North Carolina resident stealthily drove 500 miles to Pennsylvania and killed out of a sense of deadly indignation. The Worldwide Womens Criminal Justice Networks website also points to a bombshell: In 2015, the Justice Department acknowledged that most of the team members from an FBI microscopic hair comparison unit gave prosecutors flawed data from 1980 to 2000 that could have unjustly contributed to a number convictions including Patricia Rorrers. And for you to even ask why documentaries are biased, makes me wonder if you have the ability to determine fact from fiction! If there was more talk about finding this .22 mm gun then that would solve all of this speculation. She believed she was chosen as one of Gods 144,000 bond servants on earth, and gave up all her other hobbies, such as dancing, to devote her life to spreading the word of God. But Im sure that was just a coincidence LOL. Your email address will not be published. Early in the investigation, the hairs found in the car were sent (in glass slides) to several laboratories including the FBIs. Owens and her sister, Connie Moggio, entered the courtroom together. Rorrers defenders remind me of a case in my home town There was a killer who confessed, was caught on video committing the murder and was seen committing the crime by an eye witness. Nailed? Patrica Owens, Yaser Said's ex-wife, testified before the jury Thursday morning and said why she fled her home with her daughters only to return days before they were We've received your submission. She was born on Jan. 24, 1964, in eastern Pennsylvania and moved back and forth between there and Davidson County, North Carolina. Through that testing, the elderly patient was confirmed to be the same woman locally known in Pittsburgh as a street preacher called The Sparrow who vanished and left her family flummoxed. Interesting thought about the alibi timing. Just one example. During the trial, the prosecutor said that the insurance reward would have been $180,000, which was totally exaggerated, said Arletta Wright, Patricias sister, who has been championing Patricias innocence from the beginning of Patricias time in prison. In fact it clearly shows how short you are on all the details surrounding this case. They also raised concerns about what they considered a lack of evidence, including the lack of fingerprints and eyewitness reports the place Said at the crime scene. "I suggest that it stands for a moment in time where people actually take a moment to take a serious look at how we allocate our resources to social services. Joann Katrinaks Killer Still Has Innocence Advocates(A Woman Scorned, Forensic Files). There are innocent people in prison. Stop it.. WebIn burst a group of men and women with their guns drawn. Oh wait, sorry, you werent there. When she was there, she refused to discuss her private life or where she came from.. Todays arrest of their father, Yaser Said brings us closer to ensuring justice is served on their behalf.. Yaser Said was sentenced to life in prison without parole for the murder of his two daughters Amina and Sarah Said in 2008. The couple was not allowed to have contact during court proceedings. The jury deliberated for three hours after Thursday's closing arguments. CHOOSE1s Three Strikes Reform Act needs 500,000 signatures by July 17 to make the November ballot, CHOOSE1 files new initiative to reform Californias Three Strikes law, The First Friday doc premieres this week at the New Parkway. Men who murder are conventional, women are sensational, posits the Worldwide Womens Criminal Justice Network. Just one example. And this was never disclosed to Rorrers Defence. Andrew told investigators that the unpleasant phone call between Joann and Patricia happened just three days before his wifes disappearance. They also presented an email from the girls to one of their teachers prior to the murder saying they feared their father would kill them. Joanns gun and beating wounds were obvious, but the baby died a less violent (but just as horrible) death with no clear signs. Joanns first husband, New Jersey construction worker Michael Jack, who had reportedly abused her during their marriage, also had a solid alibi. The authorities charged her with two counts of murder. The Southern Christian Leadership Conference (SCLC), the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People (NAACP), Families to Amend Californias Three Strikes (FACTS) and Change.org are among the many groups that have been working to get Patricia Wright released from prison. None. So whats your point (other than many people are stupid and you arent)? All the sources said the same thing either exposure or suffocation, but no certainty about which one. Both wanted to be doctors. The fact that her jeans were unbuttoned and unzipped. This response of yours neatly sums up your dogmatic view of her guilt despite so much evidence to the contrary. There is so much in your comment with which I can take issue, but Ill try to keep to the salient points. Combination locks. This woman was motivated by an obsession with a man who no longer wanted her. "Most of the community feels bad for the child To see that in the United States bugs me. We really thought she was dead all those years. Very similar. How is it that these women are paroled? Mother of Sarah and Amina Said calls Yaser Said 'the devil' after a Dallas jury found him guilty. But investigators conceded they had no solid evidence against Andrew. As for the idiots who didnt think Ms. Rorrer guilty of anything more sordid than having zero taste, the simple fact(s) are that: 1) what they claim about such testing (as was done to the hair) wasexcuse me, IS wrong both due to the follow-up AFTER the mDNA test results were made only proved more concretely that Ms. Rorrer WAS the person the hair came from, 2) the inanity about thinking Andy had something to do with it (the simple fact that ALL investigations START by checking the closest, most immediate relative, i.e, a spouse), was after his being thoroughly vouched, to NOT be in ANY way involved, 3) since this case, forensic science has only improved by huge leaps, and that no one including the courts or the Innocence Project will get involved should make it VERY clear, this case is CLOSED. They found several specimens but not a single one was a match. However, my curiosity is piqued as to why Andrews mother didnt report the missing daughter in law, Joanne and her own grandson Alex! "We will never again know the joy and love we knew for 33 years," the letter stated. And while youre on that list, you can be happy in the knowledge youre not in rarefied company. WoW! Said showed no emotion as the verdict was read. Dial-a-problem. Ive followed and made a study of this case for more than twenty years and have absolutely no doubt she was railroaded and wrongfully convicted. no blood, no finger-prints and no soil evidence it was as if the car had been wiped clean stated the attending investigating police officer!That itself has to be considered highly suspicious and cast doubt on the hair evidence which WAS found. No other suspect has existed that would have a motive to kill Joann. "This is the 13th case solved after the creation of the cold case task force," said El Dorado County District Attorney Vern Pierson. Pal stays true. Patricia is a evil monster. I've been thinking about them the last two weeks every morning when I wake up and close my eyes," she said. Im new to the case, but there seems to be a lot of reasonable doubt. Jenkins was a teacher at St. Johnsbury Academy. John If you feel it so necessary to post a comment, please at least try to keep it original, because theres nothing sensible with your juvenile attempt using my words. But in October 1998, the LAPD established a cold case task force and reopened the murder case 17 years after Jerome Scotts death. Anyone who thinks this psycho isnt guilty needs to take off their tin hat. This article is little more than fiction. She had a suitcase packed, Devine said. Stop. Then 31 years old, she had lived a rocky existence. Yassein and Islam Said later helped hide Yaser Said in a home in Justin. A person tried in a court of law and then found guilty is not the be-all and end-all to the case. So the issue that he was picking up men in downtown Los Angeles was irrelevant to the case although that couldve been a lead to the killer. Fact is she wasnt and all of her alibis were proven to be lies. By signing up you agree to our Terms of Service and Privacy Policy, Stand with us in our mission to discover and uncover the story of North Texas, Jury convicts man who harbored fugitive brother accused of killing teen daughters in Irving in 2008, Irving man admits to harboring fugitive father accused of murdering teenage daughters, A day after powerful thunderstorms, North Texas surveys the damage, 3 children killed, 2 wounded at Ellis County home; suspect in custody, How a Texas districts reaction to school shooting fears highlights discipline concerns, Carrollton man advertised pills on social media to entice teens to buy fentanyl, feds say. Addressing Patricia Prue, Judge Robert Bent said the sentence of life without parole was "fitting" since she was a full participant in the crime. They were able to match 5 hairs all the same micro DNA which happened to match the DNA pulled from blood samples Pat gave. Im sorry for the distress this awful business must have caused. He jumped at the opportunity with the understanding that the emphasis would be on Lawrence Slaughter and not his sister. Blasczyk said she escaped from East Germany as a teenager when the country was under Communist leadership. New state, new man. All that remains is the conclusion of an appeal that Prue's husband Allen Prue has made to the Vermont Supreme Court following his October conviction in Jenkins' murder. Were suppose to ignore the actual forensic evidence and forensic opinions because we were told that a cop overheard her claiming she confessed? You murdered your girls," she said. But I suppose you havent a clue about that. She hasnt, she didnt get a hard enough sentence. Prosecutors did not seek the death penalty, so Said was automatically sentenced to life in prison with no parole. (A good point. That is not just a circumstantial case, that is both circumstantial and forensic, and it is pretty air tight. Patty is my cousin. Patricia Prue had been planning to use an insanity defense if the case were to go to trial, but she asked the court in December if she could change her plea so she could begin corresponding with her husband once again. and there are probably many people who still think he is innocent too. I had never been in jail before and I wasnt allowed to go outside. I believe the answer to your question is in my comment above. Until next time, cheers. Nope. Clifford Freeman, since you are already at the top of the list of deluded people not much room left for anyone with an oversized ego such as you apparently have!! What they reported to us is that she came into their care in 1999 where she was found in need, in the streets in Puerto Rico, where she had been wandering around. I accept there are a couple of remarks which can be seen that way but they are in direct response to those whove been offensive in the first place. From my point of view this is an extremely similar case, with less class and style, and without the luxurious details that Interpols case had, such as the involvement of an extremely expensive Alfa Romeo car, and a revolver bought at a lush auction in Paris, which had belonged to a duke before the incident. Hoist by your own petard. Dont know from where youve got your information about this case my guess is youve been watching a lot of those documentaries which revel in showing the case in a disgracefully biased manner. Nobody said bodies were intact. Clearly, there are a lot of irrational people out there. Weak wages. "It's been a long time coming for the family and the community," Warren said. They need to test that hair from Joanns hand and also that broken fingernail. Whatever the truth is. I didnt know about the supposed SIDS death of Rorrers first-born. Patricia Lynne Rorrer made for a good suspect. Id wanna be done with that shite quick too.. meh what do I know! I have worked for Interpol for years as a gun analyst, usually women who commit such crimes against their exes wife or mistress, lover etc are pushed from behind by a man and promises and lies. 2}Wo).hf}~g={g::y]peb78R,;>59_'cuB F4QyU&9G=#0 She said that shes no fan of Forensic Files and that the show had many misrepresentations about her case and that shed heard ForensicFilesNow.com mixed up some facts as well. It's been a long three years for them.". You took my life. It seems so, according to you. Shes where she belongs in prison for the rest of her life. Flaw in reasoning. Patricias professional life included short-lived gigs as a Century 21 real estate agent and an Oldsmobile salesperson. The fact that there is LITERALLY NO EVIDENCE that Patricia was actually obsessed with Andy; they spoke as friends maybe twice a year. You took my family all in one night," she said. Four months after Joanns disappearance, farmer Paul Kovalchik reported seeing what at first looked like a pile of clothes on his land in Heidelberg Township woods, about 15 miles from the Katrinaks house. Theres speculation and theres lies period. There are judges, eminent lawyers and writers who are in support of her. No way for 4 months, that deceased baby would still be resting across the mothers chest. Patricia made daily phone calls every day but made no calls at all the day before, of and after Joannes murder as she was traveling and knew her phone could track her location. These two offenses were classified as felonies when they should have been only misdemeanors, since the property stolen was valued under $400. Did they ever determine cause of death in the baby? One on one? Her husband, Mark McCloskey, pleaded guilty to misdemeanor fourth degree assault and was fined $750. I dont see any defining comment or wording that justifies that claim. She killed a mother and child and now has all of you eating out of the palm of her hand about how mistreated she has been. WebThe prosecution said Patricia wanted Jeromes $30,000 life insurance policy. Your comment could not be farther than the truth! Islam Said, Yasseins 32-year-old nephew, pleaded guilty to the same charges last month in connection with the effort to protect Yaser Said, 63, who had been a fugitive since 2008. She led a normal life, with a job as an elevator operator at the Art Institute of Pittsburgh, until 1984, when her religious vision occurred. I am reliably informed they took SIX hours, not TWO as stated in my comment. Immediately after getting out of prison in the year 2000, Larry wrote a detailed letter stating that he lied about his sisters involvement in the death of her husband. BROADCASTING SPECULATIVE SCENES, SUCH AS MENTIONED ABOVE, CAN LEAVE A VERY INDELIBLE MEMORY ON THOSE WHO ARE HAPPY TO REMAIN GULLIBLE. DNA also doesnt lie. And for you to even ask why documentaries are biased, makes me wonder if you have the ability to determine fact from fiction! Well of course it is, so you overstated your opinion as though you know it to be fact, thus the jury and others were wrong; ironic because youre quick to complain that others are much to sure of *their* opinion shes guilty.
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