Last night a senior defence source said: 'We strongly believe [Putin's] preference is for a full invasion rather than a limited offensive. The seven Russian ships - two frigates, three corvettes and two landing ships - were initially tracked by HMS Tyne, an offshore patrol craft. 'Russia is stopped when it is stopped, not when Putin decided that he achieved enough.'. one area that peeves me is that we no longer have the facilities to build produce the equipment fast enough. Boris take a private plane back to London from a climate summit in order to get to a party thrown by a conservative party donor .. is that not more irritating than a child asking the adults toRead more , the swedes attitude to defence equipment and production is very good. But at various times four navy frigates were deployed. production rates are a worry. Britain said the shots were part of a Russian gunnery exercise. Global Britain is an illusion. A source familiar with the Russian Defence Ministry's thinking said this was the most likely scenario if Moscow decided to attack, but that he was unaware of any such decision. Russia is allied with Iran, need I say more. return to the tri nations agreement of 1899!! Helicopters for the littoral, Nuclear boats for larger vessels. Royal Navy warship @HMSPortland is tracking Russian guided missile frigate Admiral Gorshkov and accompanying tanker Kama as they sail in international waters close to the UK. Putin is serious, building up a concentration of troops and armour to this level is not an excersise. An interesting question is how much does Kremlin insider Klyushin being in US custody have to do with the escalation? We are in a potentially high risk scenario all it takes is a trigger point. Your logic makes no sense. Western countries deem the Crimea to be part of Ukraine and reject Russia's claim to the seas around it. Food, the are a exporter of food. Royal Navy ship off Crimea sparks diplomatic row between Russia and UK That calls a defense expert on the plan. The only time there is a difference, is when a SM is deep, sprinting to a new position. If Biden was was standing up to Putin hed use some of that military grunt they have. As for Corbyn and Johnson, I generally agree I just wish people could see its kind of theRead more , Hi Ron-no need to apologise, I enjoy your posts and know that things for all of us can get robust at times. Published: 8:51 ET, Jan 24 2023 A RUSSIAN warship armed with "unstoppable" hypersonic missiles is sailing towards the US coast in a show of strength, reports claim. NOT, should have out an archer. Britain's BBC released footage from the ship showing a Russian coast guard warning that he would shoot if the British ship did not change course. This idiot wants Biden to start the war. We in the West lost sight of the long term strategic goal of the US is remaining the sole superpowewr. Now over, the Russian ships heading for the Med, inc a cruiser. So were Western economies corrupt, going back in time. The military ship activated its AIS tracker on Wednesday at 10am, making it visible on real-time marine traffic tracker. Putin's plot to send warships off Ireland coast sparks 'deep concern We have got troops there, albeit only a small number in a training and advisory role still complicates the plot for Putin. Ammunition depots. Agreed. His advanced years are often publicly evident in his performance. White House Press Secretary Jen Psaki warned of human rights violations and war crimes if diplomacy failed and the Russian government went ahead with its plans. Spot on Johnathan, nothing beats the smell of Cordite when doing a spread or up ladder SU shoot. The jams at US West Coast ports have been due to the global supply chain being out of whack. Is Harpoon totally ineffective against Russian ships or just a bit old? Any damage to external sensors, VLS tubes, the bridge area, mast, or flight deck would be enough to take it out of the fight. In total, the pair saw 14 ships, led by a Russian minesweeper, approach the coast off Odesa and then turn back toward Crimea. I suspect if we dont show strength and unity now the fighting will inevitably come to us. The US Putting a small number of troops in Ukraine is a line in the sand a powerful symbol of intent to the Russians of repucussions if they invade. Our potential foes are very clever and will exploit gaps. What is aerial refuelling and how does it work? The most comprehensive solution to manage all your complex and ever-expanding tax and compliance needs. Surely he loses more than he gains. The White Housewarned yesterday the situation was 'extremely dangerous' and that Moscow could launch an attack 'at any point'. One can hope that cooler heads will prevail, and we start sorting ourselves out! Their fears of nuclear led them to basically willingly put puppet strings on a number of important decisions the country will have to make. Cheers dave , I think our boss were trying too make us look on the bright side I doubt if the Careers office would have stated that when we signed up, And yet, of all the capability gaps, this one worries the RN the least. So the design probably dates back to the late 1960s / early 1970s, so getting a bit long in the tooth..! Erm, theres certain CO of a T23 on TV at the moment who disagrees with you not to mention Radakin hgiving HoC evidence, I havent see the show, so Ill take your word on it, Surely if Russia invades Ukraine theres gonna have to be big increases in defence and security spending were gonna have to reinforce all Eastern European alliance members for that matter any country world wide that feels threatened buy any powerful country, Hi Geordie, Youd think so. Mr Putin is aware that as Ukraine does not belong to Nato, there will be no military response by Western states. They would be very worried about Wildcat with Sea Venom & Martlet, and Merlin Mk2 with Stingray capability. 'I am not ashamed to ask to help us with everything that is possible to avoid this war. Estimates of the numbers of new Russian troops moved closer to Ukraine vary from 60,000 to around 100,000, with a U.S. intelligence document suggesting that number could be ramped up to 175,000. 'It is the choice of President Putin and the Russians to make, whether they are going to suffer severe economic consequences or not.'. Iran has been poking the region with a pointy stick for years now just to see what sort of rea tin they would get in return. Build the strongest argument relying on authoritative content, attorney-editor expertise, and industry defining technology. Ireland tells Russia live-fire naval exercise is 'not welcome' Oh, that would be Slovakia and Poland for example who have NATO aircraft from America not to mention eFP fighters in Lithuania, Estonia and Bulgaria. These vessels are more than likely head to Syria to onload stores. This is howRead more , Thats reassuring.Thanks. Royal Navy shadows nine Russian warships around the UK Push buttons. Their Intel also saying that they see no particular problem. It was not immediately clear what equipment would be arriving today. Who do you think got impeached by the US House for trying to compromise Zelensky? Should be a 10 year rule everything gets stored for at least 10 years in case needed. Russian Navy Landing Ships Seen Approaching Ukrainian Coast Near Odessa Pity we dont have an enormous fleet of attack submarines to take out surface ships. whats next a russian build up around the baltic straits?or the chinese off tiawan? We must stand with our Ukrainian allies., Biden has also authorized $200 million in additional support to meet Ukraines emergency defense needs, according to a U.S. State Department spokesperson. https://www.army-technology.com/projects/land-based-future-local-area-air-defence-system-flaads-land/, Is Russia just grandstanding in some effort to remove the economic sanctions? Its the bowl of gruel and the slice of old bread that really makes it all worthwhile. It can be logically assumed that KALIBR capability willRead more . Pentagon officials confirmed the basic details on Wednesday. News Group Newspapers Limited in England No. We do need more ships and we will increase the number of frigates in the years to come. Thanks for that. "The Sun", "Sun", "Sun Online" are registered trademarks or trade names of News Group Newspapers Limited. LONDON, June 24 (Reuters) - Russia warned Britain on Thursday that it would bomb British naval vessels in the Black Sea if there were any further provocative actions by the British navy off the. The vessels were found by Naval News with the help of Damien Symon, an independent defense analyst. The SPEAR seems limited against a target like a ship. Not training troops. Dictators will at any cost hold onto power. Ukraine was in part happy to negotiate them away for exactly that reason. If this invasion happens it could well lead to the Chinese taking the opportunity to seize Taiwan, Iran will cause trouble in the Straits of Homuz and missile man could well take the opportunity to invade the South. Its a game to stop NATO advancing further east, and a political statement. They took over from @kon_marine and will pass onto the @MarineNationale to continue the escort. I certainly do! 'Should Russia invade, we will provide additional defensive equipment to Ukrainians.'. 11:10 GMT 19 Jan 2022 Morning Douglas. Test capabilities. Similarly, the economic sanctions threatened by the US and the UK apply regardless of the scale of such action. Pity we didnt keep developing the 6 system fitted to Tiger and Blake? Leading to our militaries being optimised for fighting second rate foes. US truckers are heavily non vaccinated. Indeed you wouldnt need ships to eliminate those ducks as you wouldnt in the Dardanelles if they ever got in a pickle there either as Britain found out before the Gallipoli campaign became a hasty if equally ill fated alternative. Without OHT you are randomly chucking missiles out down a bearing and hoping the target is somewhere within the seeker head basket for the terminal homing. Spokesman Dmitry Peskov said the reporting was based on 'unfounded' information, according to the TASS news agency. Forces would secure control of a canal that provided Crimea with fresh water supplies until Russia annexed the region and Ukraine stopped the flow, he said. I doubt you can stand at all given the amount of hallucinogens you must be partaking. 'This of course would be the most costly economically, politically and in terms of human lives and that's probably why it's least likely,' Melvin said of an all-out invasion. get her back in dock and rebuild her from the inside out. I think ill have a drink now. Surely you mean the Syrians? The phrase, and derivatives of the phrase . That basically, means the UK has signalled that it is disengaging from effective land operations in a NATO context. Russia released footage filmed from a Russian SU-24 bomber flying close to the British ship. Hi Ron. Didnt work out too well last time. If you mean why T26 isnt fitted with ASROC, then that has been explained at length by many other commentators, and with very good reason. There is currently another Russian flotilla heading for the Med, this time the flagship cruiser and escort from their Pacific Fleet. Therefore in theory at least for the narrowest Dover-Calais area we could do that. Germany was starved to death in WW1 by the blockade of the North sea and WW2 bomber command destroyed its industrial might. Whereas I have friends and colleagues dotted along the West Coast which is how I can call out your nonsense on that one. The only delusional people are the idiots who think Biden is doing a good job; hes lost Afghanistan, Ukraine next, and probably Taiwan in 2023 when this emboldensRead more . HMS Lancaster joined Severn tracking Steregushchiy-class corvette Boikiy in the Channel and using its Wildcat helicopter to gather intelligence. The RN suffered badly in the Falklands through short sightedness and gaps in capabilities, and is sadly doomed to suffer again unless it takes the enemies and their capabilities and tactics seriously. So is his agenda really totally different? Biden??? Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov said on Friday Moscow was not ready to wait forever for a response and that it wanted a detailed written response to every Russian proposal. Normally theres maybe half a dozen ships of the coast of California waiting to be unloaded, last I heard it was over 70. On 19 July 2020, another explosion hit a power plant in Isfahan Province. Again, your assessment that putting 2,000 US troops into Ukraine before the status quo has changed, would not have detered 100,000+ troops amassing on the border or the worldwideRead more . 679215 Registered office: 1 London Bridge Street, London, SE1 9GF. ', After their meeting, State Department spokesman Ned Price warned the West was ready to impose 'crippling costs on Russias economy' if Putin chooses the path of 'further aggression.'. Video shared by the US Coast Guard of a Russian ship near the Hawaiian Islands. "I am sure that such a powerful weapon will allow us to reliably protect Russia from potential external threats and help ensure our country's national interests. 'Grateful for [US's] political & security support. Yes and who do you think gave them the green light. Were you not barred a couple of years ago from this site? Thu Feb 3 2022 - 19:50. No Typhoons in Romania at present, but USAF F-15Es there. I note that you seen to have accepted my comments on the US border debacle. The USA didnt pick UkraineRead more . We are were we are now and it should have never have got to this point. Social Media and Comment Moderation Policy, New British nuclear missile submarine reaches milestone, Despite funding concerns Type 32 Frigate still planned, European deployment successfully completed by Royal Navy, UK and US nuclear missile submarines send message to Russia, UK signs for Aster 30 Block 1 anti-ballistic missile weapons, Royal Navy seeking loitering munitions for ships, https://www.defenseone.com/threats/2022/01/us-sends-more-military-equipment-ukraine/361042/ , NATO battlegroup in Bulgaria reaches full capability, BBC announces new aircraft carrier documentary. The conclusion was that Tiger stood the better chance due to her 6 turret being mostly electrically powered rather than hydraulic, like Blakes, so the presumption was shed be more reliable. Under international law of the sea, innocent passage permits a vessel to pass through another state's territorial waters so long as this does not affect its security. Like wise the Danse could blockade the Baltic as well. That's why he wants to overthrow the government of Volodymyr Zelenskyj in Kyiv. Im Amazed at Germany and Frances response. Coast Guard releases video of Russian ships in Hawaii waters Yes theyve probably done more to modernise than laggards such as Argentine or Germany, but in conventional terms the European members of NATO alone could militarily contain Russia without Americas help. HITLER AND NAPOLEON DID AND LOOK WHERE IT GOT THEM. The White House corrected the off the cuff remark from the long press conference. We need to re-evaluate our position in the world, step back, calculate the cost of the CASD add that amount to a Defence budget set at 3%. No they didnt. Whether hell succeed with his military distraction where General Galtieri failed with this strategy is open to question. Thanks Mark it just seems that the way that some outlets are reporting this ongoing story ,could in fact do more damage than good .As with some people on these threads ,that are goading eachother into what better weapons would do the most damage ,when the most destructive weapon is their Mouse/keyboard I know its just keyboard banter but my God theres some who really do want it too kick off. Romania, in particular, has sounded the alarm over Russian activities in the waterway, and has gone on a $10 billion spending spree since 2014, buying U.S. F-16s, rocket artillery and advanced. You act like the US has nothing to prepare for or be cautious with and we can throw our weight around like Panama in 1989. Is not the opposite more true? kill chain is very complex to find, track, and then engage a warship at range that doesnt want to be shot at. That is the role of EFP troops in Poland and the Baltics show of support plus being a tripwire. If it doesnt conform to the official line it gets spiked. , updated Would tend to agree with you Graham, to what end does Putin need to invade Ukraine? The US Coast Guard said Wednesday it is monitoring a Russian ship near Hawaii. The British Army for starters needs a serious shake up and recapitalisation. Yep, you may well sleep well when not being reminded of the things you could actually be doing to help the world, Ive partaken in wars over Oil and I dont even drive, Driving fossil fueled powered cars is not the only thing causing climate change and that we need to change. Spot on post! EFP is tripwire forces (and not many of them ie only 3 Battlegroups in total) to prevent Russian incursions into Poland, Lithuania, Latvia or rather to reassue the peoples of those countries they are not going to affect the Russo-Ukraine situaution. See here for a complete list of exchanges and delays. It depends on the severity of what Russia will do if it invades. We should grant him that and make it a reality. Critics fear it will increase Germany's reliance on Russian energy supplies. See today's front and back pages, download the newspaper, order back issues and use the historic Daily Express newspaper archive. Anti-air systems appear to be a weakness for Ukraine which might be something that the US should focusRead more . NATOs multinational battlegroup in Bulgaria reached full operational capability on Wednesday. Ultimately, the maneuver ends abruptly. The only Ukraine people fighting for their independence are those in the Donbas. In such a febrile atmosphere, the risk of a misunderstanding or unplanned escalation is greater, and Russia could use such an incident as a casus belli. Maybe, but are you disputing the accuracy of my first sentence? By teatime at least during the cold War the surface arm of the RN was given 7 days before lights out 6 days more than the RAF , only the Army faired better indefinitely if resupplied ? Russian Warships Shelling Towns Near Odesa as Naval Activity Increasers The Armys flip ups on procurement have disengaged us from effective land ops in NATO context. 'We have information that indicates Russia has already pre-positioned a group of operatives to conduct a false flag operation in eastern Ukraine,' she said. Russia warns Britain it will bomb ships next time | Reuters HMS Dragon, though reportedly armed with Harpoon, is being put in harms way without a modern AShM. Should they choose to do so. Can you see hot winded Macron or blustering Boris doing that? Ringfence it. At the same time, it has stepped up social media campaigns portraying Ukraine as aggressors. It builds up its arsenal in one location to make the world think thats the location they are going to attack. Screen for heightened risk individual and entities globally to help uncover hidden risks in business relationships and human networks. View our online Press Pack. Syria is not a big news story for Putin. Those deliveries are ongoing, and there are more scheduled in the coming weeks.. It could be solved if Ukraine finally implemented the Minsk Protocol it signed in 2015. Ill accept naval power but always is a bit sweeping. The Americans have just sent their first shipment of Aid to the Ukraine what was sent was classed as LETHAL Aid. KALIBR provides even modest platforms, such as corvettes, with significant offensive capability and, with the use of the land attack missile, all platforms have a significant ability to hold distant fixed ground targets at risk using conventional warheads. HMS Tyne, HMS Richmond and HMS Kent jointly escorted the same group of Russian ships as they operated in the Celtic Sea. RNs lack of AsUW is a gamble, otherwise why retain harpoon? The N Koreans are starving again. Since then its been regular movements in/out as the Russian military cycled as many as possible through Syria for the experience. Apart from Qaswem Soleimmani. A very rugged and reliable ship, only 500 tons carrying capacity but their operation in Syria would not have been possible without the. Using it just to illustrate how the forward presence of US/Nato forces in Eastern Europe may or may not influence Russian decision making. But you have to appreciate they are not the be all and end all. More info. As to the vaccine mandate, you are aware of the cross US/Canada border restrictions that came into force today that affect 50% or so drivers and the log jams in US west coast ports? The proliferation of this capability within the new Russian Navy is profoundly changing its ability to deter, threaten or destroy adversary targets. Russian, US, French and UK warships spotted off south coast by Defence Not sitting, looks like hes on his way to Moscow to have a quiet chat with Sergei Shoigu. In new training drills yesterday, three dozen Russian warplanes including Su-34 fighter-bombers, Su-25 attack aircraft and MiG-31 fighter-interceptors flew from airfields in Perm, Krasnoyarsk, Chelyabinsk and Sverdlovsk regions. The Telegraph values your comments but kindly requests all posts are on topic, constructive and respectful. The group thinkers on here have no idea of the N2 capabilities of RU and without AsUW the RN is in danger of being decimated before tea time. Dont think its just down to initial build costs either, providing a crew for the kit and paying for them over the lifetime of the ship/s probably has a bearing on this issue too. In a call to Mr Lavrov, Mr Blinken 'stressed the importance of continuing a diplomatic path to de-escalate tensions'. French President Emmanuel Macron has offered to send troops to Romania., https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-60077776. Please review our, You need to be a subscriber to join the conversation. Rocks?' Officialssaid last week that Russia had deployed agents trained in sabotage and urban warfare to launch a 'false-flag' attack on proxy forces, providing the pretext for invasion. The Royal Navy has shadowed nine Russian warships around the UK in the last two weeks alone - as Vladimir Putin increases his military presence in British waters. I didnt think anyone could be worse than Trump. How does that relate to this story? Resources, they have plenty of their own. Ooops! Its a land grab and a hard lesson to NATO not to expand further east and Im afraid Ukraine who have been pro west since independence will pay the price. SAMs/ASMs/AAMs mostly new plus a handfull of big ticket items but the vast majority are just 40 year old designs with a new paint job and go faster stripes. On Wednesday, the State Departmentapprovedthe transfer of U.S.-made missiles from Baltic NATO members to Ukraine. Ok we fought for repression of all subjugated Countries including the German folk who were under the heel of the Nazi jackboot. Russian warships pass through English Channel - UK Defence Journal You talking Cobbers as usual! Its what happens after Russia invades that know one is sure about. Meanwhile, in the Black Sea, the Kasimov antisubmarine ship 'successfully destroyed' air and sea targets by artillery fire in storm conditions, in a naval exercise. Yes China has been throwing money at increasing the capabilities and sheer size of its military in it race to become the worlds dominant hyper-power. The volume of gas supplyable through Nordstream 2 is roughly equivalent to the entire energy use of UK or another large European country. It was/would cost a big chunk of their budget to keep them operational and safe. He said the countries were 'united in their resolve' against Russian aggression. Tensions escalated at the end of last week after American officials claimed to have information that Moscow had deployed resources for a 'false flag' attack. Ukraine warns Russia has 'almost completed' build-up of forces near border - CNN. Tabloid sensationalism Im afraid Tommo. You are right. Itll make Snatch Landrover fiasco look trivial. In Moscow, Russia summoned Ambassador Deborah Bronnert for a reprimand over what it said were Britain's "dangerous" action in the Black Sea - while foreign ministry spokeswoman Maria Zakharova accused London of "barefaced lies". Er, as infantry, I had all of 9 seconds according to the briefing table on the Majors desk reading down the list and RMP were given 36 hours; and the rest is history. As the region is already occupied by pro-Russian separatists, and has been in a state of war since 2014, it was believed it would offer little resistance. . The comments below have not been moderated, By A capability upgrade as and when needed, might well happen. At the end of the day it isnt going to be Britain v Russia, It will would be a NATO coalition. This was to determine if the resurrected Blake and Tiger would stand a chance against the Belgrano, if they actually faced off. Britain seems to be the only Western power doing anything regarding the imminent Russian invasion of Ukraine. "There is nothing unusual here: it is commonplace, but this time the ship is equipped with the latest hypersonic rocket system Zircon, which has no match. Ryabkov, referring to Moscow's version of events in which a Russian aircraft bombed the path of the British destroyer, said that in future bombs would be sent "not only in its path, but also on target.". Pentagon spokesman John Kirby said the intelligence was 'very credible.'. Working hard for your Master Putin, Hay! So will Taiwan. It does not stop Russia interfering in/invading Ukraine. I would say that is far more annoying than Greta who actually tries her best to practice what she preaches. If NSM is good enough for USN & Germany its good enough for RN. The Ropucha-class landing ship can transport 10 main battle tanks and 340 troops or 12 BTRs and 340 troops or 3 main battle tanks, 3 2S9 Nona-S, 5 MT-LBs, 4 army trucks and 313 troops or 500 tons of cargo. The deployment was cited in Ukraine's intelligence report which said Belarus 'should be considered as a full-fledged theater of operations that Russia can use to expand aggression against Ukraine.'. His views were backed by Labour leader Keir Starmerwho tweeted on Saturday: To protect our values and our security we must be steadfast in our opposition to Russian aggression. The assessment, seen by CNN, described the situation as 'difficult' and warned Russian President Vladimir Putin was 'trying to split and weaken the European Union and NATO' while also 'limiting the capabilities of the United States to ensure security on the European continent'. They attack a completely different country miles from that one? Not many decent investigative journos around now. There are thoughts elsewhere that these ships may, initially, be heading to Syria in order to collect troops and equipment for redeployment. The Turks the bosphorous cutting off vital Shipping routes to Russia. This is a US created crisis for US domestic reasons. Almost all forms of sanctions being discussed have a greater blowback potential on both Europe and the US than their damage on Russia. Initially other then a echo sounder suite for navigation which is a safety requirement, there are no current plans for a ASW fit on the T31s, for the reasons you have stated.
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