Williams was a little quieter but open with her friends and hoping to go into . However, I do not know how to contact you Sir. However, smudged prints are of very dubious value. I found who mr. X is. There is no proof that the bodies are posed but the speculation of what it could mean if they were posed is worth discussion. Is he into numerology? Delphi, Indiana, police have been notoriously tight-lipped about the killings of 14-year-old Libby German and 13-year-old Abby Williams since the first news conference after the girls were found dead in February 2017. If the DA does not think he has enough evidence in a homicide case to win in court, they wont take it to trial. Was present when the Evansdale Murders occurred. I read 1 of them is still in grief counseling for it- so im pretty sure she doesnt wanna talk about it. Have you been in contact with her at all? I would like to email this , as it is not particularly relevant to the comments on this page. Thank you for all the work on the Delphi case. This is simply because Ive dared to question if its possible that he was involved in any capacity or if its possible that he made misleading statements. How many times has he been cleared? Could be to cover their own asses. What are those supposed Delphi Murders leaked text messages about? He posted a photo on Facebook around three weeks to a month after the murders. For more information, please see our These guys are mostly narcissists and they dont believe in cooperation. Im not sure if its better that way or not. That looks suspicious as Hell. Amazing work! Photos of Abby Williams, left, and Libby German, right, at police headquarters in Delphi, Indiana. Save my name, email, and website in this browser for the next time I comment. Hence, following Occams, our theory is the best explanation of the facts. In the documents we have, it is openly stated that BG abducted the girls at precisely 2:13 PM. A blogger/sleuthed named Robert Lindsay supposedly has one on his site, there's a camera flashing on it. We have 250 members in our group. Its all about the zero-sum game. As this continues to be an active and ongoing investigation, the Indiana State Police will continue to provide any and all resources available to assist in the prosecution of this case.". (WISH) Investigators believe the bodies of Abby Williams and Libby German were "moved and staged" at the Delphi murder scene, according to court documents obtained by I-Team 8. 7) Hes local. Chemicals used in an attempt to hide fingerprints. Watch on Oops, we couldn't find that track. LE doesnt like being lied to, especially when they are investigating a double homicide. And he has an accomplice, a much younger man. He did commit the crime because the younger sketch is just BG in catfish form, his other younger personality that he used to snare victims. We have your fingerprints on the counter.. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. It is unclear whether they were referring to Allen or not. Unlike any other sleuthers, we have determined the main suspects in the case, have a good idea of what happened during the crime and what the crime scene looked like, and have recently figured out the motive. Didnt he at the time live down the street from Logan? We also dont know the name of the hotel or motel that they stayed in. Theyre swarming all over this crime scene, and the killer is standing right here under their noses in the midst of the chaos for hours, and these coptards cant figure this out. We think he likes to fool and troll LE. There is no way he would come back later to stage anything because he wouldnt know how safe it was or how many law enforcement would be around. This whole case just reeks of something stinky every which way you turn. The behavior of LE throughout the entirety of this case is, to put it as nicely as possible, questionable, and to state the truth, just plain stupid. Distance of residence from crime scene at the time of the crime: Less than 2 miles to the east along the creek. May have worked at Tyson Foods slaughterhouse in Logansport, Indiana and sister facility in Waterloo, Iowa in 2011-2012. If so, this proves that this crime was planned nearly down to the minute. Investigators said the person behind the account posed as the model in order to groom underage girls and get them to send nude photos and their addresses and try to get them to meet. "No, that's not her nor Libby," he wrote in his text response. Nevertheless, as you can see above, three things that we spotted in the crime scene photos have been verified by independent sources in the search party, so the fact that these are crime scene photos is now proven. But no, that was not the case. And if Mr. X was being tried today and I was on the jury, I would certainly vote to acquit. For one, its a gross violation of journalistic ethics, and I was trained to be a journalist I have a BA in Journalism and worked as an editor of a large magazine, among other things. While it's unclear if police did go to gun stores, Garrett think it's unlikely because there was no mention of a gun in the case until the probable cause document was released Tuesday. Investigators tracked Logans activities on the day of the murders and determined he was not forthcoming. The autopsy of the other would know if she was a virgin and even if the killer violated her with whatever she would have bled a little so that could have been detected also. And humans are animals too. Most of these podcasts are silly speculation or talk about POIs who are all ruled out. Why do kids play make-believe? It is now learned that he was arrested on two counts of murder, however, officials said the case is far from complete.. Thats because they havent been told shit. A double asterisk means the information is proven by case documents in our possession. A man was a suspect in this crime, and one document, a search warrant, are from LEs investigation of him. Highly functioning drunk; its the only way he can appear normal. This happened b/w the mid-80s to early-90s. The girls bodies were found near a hiking trail on February 14, 2017 a day after they went missing while on a walk during a day off from school. Now he says he never saw BG at all. R/LibbyandAbby is awful, but its a lot better than r/DelphiMurders. Though she cannot comment on this investigation since its ongoing, she MAY be able to offer clues. They go up to the knee and are designed to be waterproof. Thomas Bruce, a former pastor, was charged with fatally shooting one woman and sexually assaulting two others at aCatholic Supply store in St. Louis, Missouri, in November 2018. Ive looked this man over and I cant think of anyone less likely to commit this crime. We suppose if was listening to a police scanner, he could have known that early, but whats the likelihood of Mr. X listening to a police scanner between 5:30-6:30 PM on the day of the crime? If I happened to be out that day lets say partying or doing some stuff that maybe I shouldnt have been doing, and I witnessed something and had information Im telling you right now, I would think twice, then I would think two more times before I would even consider coming forward because I would be scared shitless that LE would throw my ass in jail for something completely unrelated just like they did to RL. Yes I thought the suspect had been recorded walking on the raailroad tracks on one of the girls phones. Cops have told us more than they told any of those guardians. If this roommate is correct, it looks like Mr. X worked in 2011-2012 at as packing plant in the Delphi area, and he was moved to near Evansdale, Iowa for a period during these two years to work on a sister plant near Evansdale. If you wish to join, please go here. But I see the home is raised. In other words, LE are convinced that BG filmed or videotaped his crime. The only places he differs is where he thinks that the police are wrong! The YouTube channel Zav Girl broke down the text messages in a video entitled "Text Messages from the Guy that found Abby and Libby? Particularly this statement. Another reason he stayed is we believe that he enjoyed the drama. This makes absolutely no sense at all. The only crime on Mr. Xs record is an expunged conviction for statutory rape from 1984 in Indiana when he 18 and the girl was 14. I guess I also wonder how everyone put such and effort to look only a few hours after being missing. Crime scene photos leaked? But my opinion isnt worth anything. Others close to the victims, who I will not name, have channeled their grief into rage and lashing out at everyone around them. We all stumble over our words sometimes. They told us that Kegan Kline was not involved. Furthermore, when people say that I, Robert Lindsay, have no sources, no documents, on and on, please keep something in mind. He is happy to do so. Libby was apparently enthralled by this profile, Cain said. I dont know if they were part of the search parties. Im the one who did it. I've seen that a few times. Ill leave it up to you to believe what you want to believe. They have their own sources. There is a main suspect who has been the main suspect for a very long time. Only if he had sent this much audio to one of the girls phones after the crime. It was dusty and disheveled. The judge would say you dont even have enough evidence against this man to take this case to court and throw it out of court. So it looks like Mr. X is using to cutting up dead and possibly living animals with large knives. Drunkard perhaps. Video from one of the victim's phones shows a man on the trail wearing dark jacket and jeans. The girl survived, and Chadwell is currently serving a 90-year sentence for the attack. The fact that we were given little to no information about what really happened to Abby and Libby other than they were murdered by BG) from LE says a lot more to me than LE lets on. Hes innocent. Im not stupid. So Mr. X was more traumatized by this crime than anyone else, including the victims grandmother who was hurt more than anyone. I dont know this man very well, but he wasnt in on this crime. Like a coward, we would add. He thinks it is Garrett Kirts. Investigators also cite a witness who saw Allen walking with "clothes that were muddy and bloody," according to the probable cause affidavit. Idle speculation at its finest. I want you to know that your comment is no longer there. I 100% agree about Mr X, and I recently seen a pic of his stepson which I think looks similar to the YBG sketch. So if he wore Packers boots to do his crime, he would have been able to cross that cold stream where the water is knee-deep. Apparently. You dont need a degree, credential, and a license to do this job, you know. Photo by LIBBY GERMAN / FACEBOOK Not important? The pre-trial hearing in this case is to be held in January. Because statistically, the chance that it is a crazy serial killer would be smaller. Can you spell out the name? Stabbing of one girl in the neck artery at some point after the above events. There are 3 most common reasons; to thwart the investigation, for the shock effect on the finder and the investigators of the crime scene, or for perverted pleasure of the perpetrator. This is a rumor that a woman walking her dogs on the bridge at 12:30 PM on the day of the murders, a full hour before BG probably appeared on the trails at 1:30 PM, saw a man who looked like the Young BG sketch. Leave this poor man alone, for Gods sake. Carroll County Sheriff Tobe Leazenby said the information in the probable cause affidavit is "self-explanatory" and declined to comment further. Miller lived two hours from Delphi at the time of his arrest. Then email me and and I will give you the link and password and I will also let you into the new forum where you can set up your own name and password. I dont see a motive for Mr. X either, and he did live right there. I have joined the group on face book #Delphi Murders. It is important to note that the validity of the text messages has not and cannot be corroborated at this time. Apparently he planned this abduction to occur at precisely this time, which is shocking. She was found in an ivory/white dress. But Garrett said he doesn't understand how it took so long for an arrest. How do you know that LE has someone they believe is BG? Also there are rumors that the girl left a note explain her pregnancy in a tree in her backyard. I cant tell you how many searches I participated in when I was in uniform for kids this age. Much more on that below. My money is on an edged weapon. Hes bored and has nothing to do, so we recruited him to sleuth for us. Allen was taken into custody and booked into the Carroll County Jail in connection with the horrific crime. Heavily redacted court documents say that state police and the FBI encountered Kline in 2017 while conducting a search warrant in Peru, Indiana. Im not sure about their clothes, but they definitely crossed that creek all right. But the police are having a very hard time gathering enough evidence against this man to take it to court. Besides being psycho. Update: We can now state that one of these documents is a search warrant, specifically for the Maxwell home. The manner of death has never been revealed. Im not saying anymore in an attempt to protect LEs directive. We may or may not have from 1-8 more official case documents from this case. Tell her I said HAVE A NICE DAY! Brad was a suspect for a while, and one of the detectives working on the case even stated off the record that he thought Brad did it. However, Mindtruth has done a number of episodes on our information and I thank Bruce for that very much. 2) There was a shot that was deliberately fired into the creek in an attempt to scare Libby, whom was attempting to evade Mr. The date of the crime and the time of the abduction are both 2-13. We believe he did this because there may have been incriminating evidence in there. I hav followed both cases very closely. No ones been hurt by this case more than Becky Patty. Would love to join the private group. You think Im stupid? Staging- by definition means they were placed/posed pre or post mortem a certain way. Delphi Murders Transcripts: Suspect Said He Knew Libby German Was at The rarity of "unusual" [corrected] dispositions of victim bodies It has those wooden, beaded seat covers. I appreciate your style about not being afraid to put out things others wouldnt dare & or might even get accosted over doing soThose idiots are WEAK& most of them are hypocritesSome of the new YouTubers even, they first bitch about the same thing, then they start a channel, and the next thing you know, their moderators are hacking/choking& putting that ass in the corner for hours before allowing u to crawl back in, all bruised, & compliantNot for me. I hope someday this horrendous crime will be solved. Summer months. While we see a giant plush bear, thats too weird, so we will defer to the search party lady and agree with her statement. There is no doubt in my mind or anyone who is in possession of an IQ higher than double digit range that Ron Logan is not the killer. How do you know he had a deer kit and how many knives he had? River searched near home of man police say posed . I cant demand that my friends give me money! An Indiana bar owner has revealed that the suspect arrested in the Delphi massacre of two teenage girls was a patron at his inn who often sat inches away from police sketches of the wanted killer. Im leaving it at that. Have for a long time. Allen was arrested on Friday in connection to the murders - the first big break in the case. No, I Dont Lack Credibility or Legitimacy, Alt Left: Hate the Collective But Love the Individual. Same with Evansdale probably too. In these cases, we have 4-5 separate sources, usually vaguely referred to as inside sources, testifying to the truth of something. Indiana State Police and the. But he also got wrapped up in collecting and apparently trading real deal child porn with little girls. I doubt it. The bodies were found posed by the killer, who is believed to have been between five and ten feet tall and 180 to 200 pounds. The only DNA found on the girls was that of Kelsi, sister of Libby. There appears to be no mention of the Delphi murders or any information linking Kline to the case. Liberty German Fbi I showed a few friends who knew nothing of the case and they didnt see anything either. This grainy image was taken on Libbys phone on the trail the day the girls went missing. 14) For more, see video, though this is the gist of it. FBI agent: Bodies 'moved and staged' in Delphi murders, suspect took What Do the Alleged Leaked Text Messages About Delphi Murders Mean? To get that, he said one of two things happens: 1.) He uses all kinds of weird aliases. By the way, whats a legitimate journalist? Whats a illegitimate journalist? Theres no such thing as either. Expelled From Law School, Dad Convicted of Mom & Brothers Murder. The friend texted a man named David, who claims to have found the bodies, because there were alleged crime scene photos leaked online. The Delphi Murders: Four years later Libby & Abby's killer is still out there. In September of 2020, messages began circulating online that were allegedly between the man who found the girls' bodies and his friend. Would be interesting to know if Garett Kirts was on Ron Logans property that day. He stopped for gas and cigarettes. Turn on desktop notifications for breaking stories about interest? Mr. X was a senior in high school at the time. Say for instance LE arrested Mr. X and charged him with the double homicides of these two girls. Indeed, he has been questioned and he is cooperating fully with the investigation. For whatever reason, she confuses facts all the time and cant keep her stories straight. We have the basic outlines of the crime sketched, and weve even filled in a lot of the blanks. And I seriously doubt that any of those POIs have access to all of those sensitive case documents or that any of them have a personality like that. Allen "has been consistent" in police interviews over the years, former FBI agent and ABC News contributor Brad Garrett said. Specifically, we are getting much of the the following information straight from the cops themselves. There is a small fee of $20 to join, which includes lifetime membership. I do not feel comfortable using his initials or certainly his name. Now, I have denied knowing something that I actually knew, but that was to protect the integrity of an investigation. Could it that the killers were middle aged men, DP and not sure yet, maybe FSG but both dressed exact same so people would be confused? Hey Robert, absolutely love reading your blogs. Allen is a married pharmaceutical technician. I almost have to wonder if thats why he later concocted the story about the keys, perhaps as an afterthought when he realized it would be hard to explain why he asked to search for the girls but then didnt find them somehow, Uhh I was more focused on finding my keys, I must have overlooked the two dead girls I was looking for in the first place.. Why not join the 240+ members who have already signed up for the best Delphi sleuthing team of all? LE blew off their concerns and called off the search, citing safety concerns for the searchers but seemingly had little of the same concerns for the missing teens who could have been severely hurt and unable to help themselves, just waiting for someone in LE to find them that night. No Im just a mechanic in Boston Mass. Oh one more thing. The family knew something was wrong. Theres a knife that he used to kill the girls. In my experience, this points to chicanery. This goes on all the time, however. There is a lot of controversy about that but it does appear that you can hear on the audio, Is that creepy guy still following us?. Also, I was interested in whether you may be able to cover Harmony Montgomerys case? In the years since Libby German and Abby Williams were murdered, there have been no arrests. Will be posted by Saturday, March 11th. Delphi murders: Crime Scene| Press Conference Update| Bodies Posed I dont know, FIELDS! is that creepy guy still following us?. Mr. X is a very close friend of Mr. M. Mr. M was a 20 year old man who impregnated one of the girls. They have also suggested that the crime scene was odd in nature. Guilty until proven innocent! Create an account to follow your favorite communities and start taking part in conversations. You said parent, so that gives me a clue. Sorry, Ive been a bit down lately. She cited instances of abuse and alcoholism. But many questions still remain around the murders of Abby Williams, 13, and Libby German, 14. I am having trouble reconciling something.. if Mr X is who I think he is, you state that he graduated in 1984 but I am finding by looking at the Delphi yearbooks online, that he graduated in 1986? A police chief in Martinez accused the man of committing these crimes, and the man sued the city and won $50,000. Abby may have been naked below the waist. Were their clothes found with the bodies at the crime scene? Following the identification of a suspect in the Delphi murder, extensive discussion about the case and purportedly leaked texts from that terrible night erupted online. If he left, LE might tow it or search it. He does not work there at the moment. They werent that close. A previous report noted, in stunning news, that the killer had known Libby for 3-4 months before the murders via social media. You mentioned a pic of CSI workers with a doll a couple of days ago did anything come of this? He could offend today in say, Ohio and offend in Illinois and be in his journey back home to commit more offenses. Because of the nature of the victims wounds, it is nearly certain the perpetrator of the crime would have gotten blood on his person/clothing, the agent wrote. He cant even drive a car! Forgive me if someone else posted this.but the FBI was called in immediately. And those are just a few of the suspected serials running around free. Hes a local executive of a government function or perhaps better yet a nonprofit of some sort. But they're about as good as they look here. Bottle of toilet bowl cleaner in left pocket.*. Im not saying he is or he isnt, but I would hope that every one of his statements has been gone over with a fine-toothed comb, verified, and re-verified for good measure. Instead of bashing us, why dont you ask why the cops are telling us this stuff? However, the investigators have made it clear over the years that they are not yet ready to release further information about what happened to the teens. A lot of my comments have been deleted, not at my discretion. I think cycles finally straighten out at age 15. Apologies if this has been covered here before, but the rumor that Libby was found shirtless and nearly decapitated and that Abby was found still clothed and posed with her hands folded, does anyone know exactly how it originated and if there is anything circumstantial to back it . I didnt mean to imply that, sorry. Investigators seized several devices, but Kline contacted them a few days later about a device they hadnt seized. For five years, the murders of 13-year-old Abby Williams and 14-year-old Libby German have hung over Delphi, ghosts that couldn't be put to rest. Well have a conversation about it, hell say, you know, Its such a tragedy, and well say were sorry for the families and all of them. I do not feel comfortable answering that question right now. A series of events where one girl screamed and then was quickly hit on the head with a blunt object, which we believe is a gun butt. We also dont know what he was doing searching down there that night. However, these are all unconfirmed rumors. Delphi Murders: Who Is Kegan Kline, Man Arrested During - Peoplemag The girls took photos while strolling across the bridge, but as time passed and their family didnt hear from them, police were called for assistance. Can you explain to me how LE would know that BG filmed his crime if he didnt send that crime footage to the girls phones? All of the speculation about their final moments is unconfirmed. Blood, Sex Staging, Fiber Evidence: Chilling New Details in Murder of I cant see where this is! The arrest of Allen could be the end of a years-long investigation during which numerous possible leads have led nowhere, and police have remained tight-lipped about details of the case. Indiana police looked into Bruce in connection to the Delphi murders, but no charges have been handed down. I am a retired Detective Chief previously responsible for the Criminal Investigation Department and all of the 80 plus detectives within as well as a senior investigative officer with experience of leading murder enquiries. Our error rate at the moment is probably under 50% and quite possibly lower, even much lower. All other POIs are dropped or cleared at least as being the killers themselves. Neither one can possibly be BG. You just dont know what a person is capable of. Five years ago today, in Delphi, Ind., two best friends, Abigail Williams, 13, and Liberty German, 14, went missing while on a hike through the city's . They say they want to prevent false confessions. Still in Delphi, or on the border of Delphi. I want to be respectful to someone who is innocent until proven guilty also. Director of Atlantas Cold Case Research Institute and Atlanta metro-area CSI, Sheryl McCollum, said she believes the killer likely posed the victims bodies, instead of staging, for a form of gratification. Investigators think the bodies of slain Delphi girls, Abby Williams and Libby German, were staged and moved at the crime scene, court documents obtained by The Murder Sheet podcast revealed; the show's founders joined Nancy Grace and her expert guests on Wednesday's "Crime Stories" to discuss the case. At least two prior marriages. This will dispel some rumors. They dont say where they collected it from, but thats an important question. They always came home. And Im sure that the Delphi police could say the same thing. Yes, a lot of our very early information turned out wrong, but now that we have studied the case much more clearly, our view of the case is getting a lot more accurate as we are able to rule in or out various rumors and hypotheses. Mr Xs alibi is it true that the person who is now deceased is a police officer who committed suicide? X. The casing from the .40 caliber gun still remains within the creek. Mr. X has is not even at the Person of Interest stage in this case. Ok how on Earth do they know that BG shot 43 seconds of audio unless that rumor about sending the crime film to the phones is true? Hi folks! Hi Robert, can you tell me if FSG and/or his brother were part of the search parties on either day? Derrick German: Libbys father, meth dealer, convict who served time in prison and supposedly ratted people out to get a lower sentence. You will see below where we regard certain things as Proven.
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